She also pointed out regarding Liberté's work, "these projects are the ones that put us outside and never bring us inside."

Pérez is an active social worker who fights for equality in this context. She visited us once again, this time from INADI, as head of the Human Rights Program for people deprived of liberty.

When we interviewed her, she told us that she is always accompanying Liberté, a space that she knows that every day that comes she finds a new venture, seeing it as a space of struggle, which she supports not only with support but also with presence, happy to do so.

On this occasion, she was accompanied by Alan Otto Prieto, who is the chief of staff for the policies and practices area, and was able to observe the undertakings and practices of this space of ours.

Propitious was the occasion to give a talk on new masculinities, for which they promised to return to this place in a month, to continue advancing in these deconstructions, those of us who have been through the confinement, to build a more just and egalitarian society, he tells us Lidia, and adds that also to accompany the projects and products that you have, making the link between the inside and the outside, with the liberated comrades and with the public organizations that can help you, be it in the financing of the project from which you they already have the registration of the cooperative, that dream that materialized a long time ago, that we have accompanied since its inception that I remember that we came with other colleagues from INADI, to collect the papers, to certify the signatures and that that dream that began was completed with the delivery of the registration, so know that we are always accompanying you.

Involved from INADI in the Conflict Resolution Committee

We have been accompanying him in all the penitentiary units such as INADI, since he was installed in unit 15, we have seen many changes that favor the coexistence of the penal society, and it involves both the penitentiary part and the people deprived of their liberty to solve Those conflicts that were previously dealt with with faca and now are done with the word, from that side we accompany.

In this regard, he went on to say, yes, I believe that the committees have to be present again, the pandemic distanced us a little, I think that the members that we are accompanying have to begin to resume the presence in all the units and in the committees, and do the traveled to be able to consolidate this space, clarifies that there are units that are not consolidated because the logic is still not understood, due to resistance not only from the prison service but also from the population itself.

I continue expressing that, what the Committee of the 15 has shown, is that it has experienced conflicts, but it has been possible to resolve them through words, and the example, as the promoter Mario Juliano said, was to be able to resolve not with the knife but with the word, and this committee of the 15, has been solving it, I reiterate that it must be present from those who represent the committee from the outside, understanding that it will help the organization grow and on the zoom platform he said that it must be for daily contact , for consultations, for training. Attendance is something that should be mainly in those units where the committees lack consolidation.

Finally, he congratulated us on behalf of INADI, but also in a personal way, mainly from the militancy, and said they can count on the support so that this can be replicated in other units, and to the comrades, I leave the message that these projects are the ones that put us out and not never again bring us inside.

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